Just thinking out loud here. One thing I don't like about buying clips is I'm not sure what I'm going to see (there used to be no previews, unlike now) and I feel like it's a gamble at $12 or so for 10 minutes. Additionally, for that kind of money, the video quality, feet and performance all need to be better than the free stuff on sites like YouTube. I've bought clips only to regret it. An exception would be a site that I know is good (some free videos and photos) and has a following. I'd feel more comfortable buying from them.
I think I'd rather join a membership site where I can expect good material or else they would not be in business. One reason I don't have a membership, however, is I don't like the idea of paying every month for a year (about $240 let's say) when I could have joined for about $20 and still have access to the same clips. In other words, why not join for one month, see all the videos, then a year later buy another month and see the new videos?
Just wondering what you all thought/experiences.
Posted by Beautifulfeetonline.com (Member # 13717) on :
as a producer, it blows my mind that I have a clear link to beautifulfeetonline.com and people still opt for the single clips
vs.
My 200+ movies I have on beautifulfeetonline.com ...and the images, vidcaps, bclips, multiple download formats, etc.
It just blows me away.
Posted by Hal (Member # 3484) on :
Single clips are great if you have very special interests -- even if they cost more than a membership to a website.
Some people aren`t interested in the amount of pics & clips, but are only interested in their special niche content. It`s the same with me...IŽll rather see exactly what I love in a 5-min video, than get access to 5000 photos showing content that I`m not into.
-Hal-
Posted by FIASCo (Member # 1899) on :
i opt for ordering custom photo sets and video clips from specific girls over buying memberships to paid sites and/or purchasing sets and clips that have been produced for mass consumption. i have had memberships at three nice sites, and enjoyed each of them, but getting custom stuff has been a lot more fun for me.
Posted by Beautifulfeetonline.com (Member # 13717) on :
good points, curious for more comments
Posted by Rider Aldebaran (Member # 38525) on :
I'm a broke-ass right now, so I usually just raid the preview sections of various sites (right now, those being NorCal Feet, Footsie Tootsies, Virgin Pink Soles, and CoedFeet; I'm considering making the leap to full membership for one or both of the first two once I get a steady income). But personally, I'd rather have pictures over videos/clips, so membership sites--as overprices as some of them are--would be the way to go for me.
Plus, I'm too impatient to sit through an entire video of a girl playing with her feet and showing them off, especially since I can't do anything with them.
Posted by combine_hunter (Member # 39526) on :
I prefer pictures to video, for the most part, but I've bought quite a few video clips.
I definitely prefer being a member of a site rather than buying clips individually. What I usually do is what you suggested, ace; buy a month, get all the content that looks good (which for the sites I like is just about everything) and then wait a few months until it's worth my money or some crazy good deal is being offered.
I think the frequency of updates is a good indicator of when to sign up. For example, if a site updates once a week, I usually wait it out longer than if it updates twice or three times a week.
Posted by Patrick (Member # 1169) on :
To each their own. Everyone has a preference on what they want to pay for, what they want to chance buying, or enjoy. There are all different things out there for a reason, so do what you like.
Patrick
Posted by eff (Member # 11277) on :
Ive noticed that the clips4sale can nickel and dime you to death....15 bucks more and you can have a membership and download/save multiple clips and pics.
But then again if you only have certain things that interest you then maybe joining a site isnt worth it....its really two ways of looking at this.
Posted by canIsmellYourFeet (Member # 11183) on :
My fetish is so, well, specific (essentially what you see in my avatar is what I like), that joining a membership site would be a waste of money. I'm outnumbered by people who don't like that and/or like instead slobbering on feet, or footjobs, or any number of other stuff I can't stand and wouldn't pay for.
So all that's left for me is newmfx.com, and buying at clips4sale.com any individual clips that may fit what I like.
I've tried to go the custom route, but either the producer never gets back in touch with me (Jessie from The Fetish Vault) or they quote an outrageous price.
Posted by Weekend_Warrior (Member # 2662) on :
It really all depends on what you're in the mood for. Typically, I prefer memberships. However, if I'm looking for a quick fix (which usually requires something very specific) Most folks will agree with me on this--you need Clips4sale! That's why they're so popular.
Posted by Fwrinkledsoles (Member # 101) on :
I make my own videos and they are not for sale.
Posted by bremmer (Member # 26185) on :
I prefer a good membership site always. But as Weekend Warrior said, we need Clips4sale. This site has brought plenty of ladies out of the woodwork to produce quality content here and there. They have fanfare and cant produce at their own pace. Granted, some post just crappy cam show quality videos, but its on us if we can clearly see this is the type of vid they post.
For me, when you have a membership site, there is a certain expectation that you post something on a routine relative to the price charged. Combine hunter is on it. $19.99 a month should post new stuff every week at a minimum. The producer enters a "contract" with me to do stuff. Of course, I make exceptions for holiday periods as I wouldn't expect the producers' priorities to be on us.
I get highly pissed when I pay for a site and they disappear for a month or two and there is no rhythm to posting. Then yeah, if that site has a clipstore, I'll just buy a clip.
If anything, the clipstores allow us to research; at least allow you to sample before going to the membership page. Upload a clip every four months, no sweat, I am not financially invested in the clipstores in the long run and feel less ripped off.
Posted by www.afw4u.com (Member # 37725) on :
recurring memberships also support website owners with steady income. For my part I keep the membership fee low so most of my members are recurring and stay on the site. On the other hand I can understand people paying for 1 month membership once in a while to get the videos especially if the 1 month membership fee isn't that more expensive than the recurring.
Posted by canIsmellYourFeet (Member # 11183) on :
bremmer brings up a good point. When I did have memberships, there was no frequency to the posting. Worse, they would seem to post something at the end of the month, when my membership was about to run out. Once a week postings seem to be key, but the problem with that as well (and mileage may vary) is that some producers may consider a picture set as a private posting. Depends on if you like pictures, I guess. I don't, I think *a* picture or two should give you an idea of what the vid is like, and that vids should be the focus.
Wow, the more I type this out, the more I'm starting to wonder what the point of memberships are. But then again, mileage varies since my fetish is, again, so specific it seems.
Posted by Beautifulfeetonline.com (Member # 13717) on :
I update once a week, but they are either full image sets with .zip files or 10-30 minutes of HD Video. Considering that I have over $10,0000.00 worth of money tied into paying my models, I would say 29.95 a month is fair.
Or the 160Gb. of Video in the Members Area. Without the multiple formats, 50Gb. of whatever files you want.
But we are in a recession, people are broke, you will see lots more membership sites closing up before it's all over. Running my foot fetish and pantyhose/nylon indexes, I have dropped over 40 membership sites just this year so far, as they have all just went away.
For example, I have over 1100 sites indexed on Digitalivasonline.com and I have dropped 123 sites so far this year, that is over 10 percent of my entire index. I have been in adult since 1999, and have never seen so many people just closing up shop and saying "fuck it".
Posted by Sol (Member # 2476) on :
I find Clips4Sale to be far too expensive for what it is.
Also, the stinginess of the previews amounts to what I think is a scam. Many times I've bought a clip based on the preview only to find that the other 99% of the video is something I would never have paid for (e.g. bad angles, too little focus on soles, too much time spent with socks on etc.).
Buying a clip should never be a lottery. There should never be luck involved when I'm parting with my hard-earned money. Screen caps should be MANDATORY for every clip on sale.
Until they reduce the price and/or give fair previews I will never buy from C4S again.
Posted by Beautifulfeetonline.com (Member # 13717) on :
yeah i see the screencaps that some store owners do, I always thought it was nice to do the little preview to get a look at the quality of my video. Point taken though. Posted by Hal (Member # 3484) on :
quote: Considering that I have over $10,0000.00 worth of money tied into paying my models
Is that $10,000 or $100,000? The comma is at a weird place...
-Hal-
Posted by canIsmellYourFeet (Member # 11183) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sol: I find Clips4Sale to be far too expensive for what it is.
Also, the stinginess of the previews amounts to what I think is a scam. Many times I've bought a clip based on the preview only to find that the other 99% of the video is something I would never have paid for (e.g. bad angles, too little focus on soles, too much time spent with socks on etc.).
Buying a clip should never be a lottery. There should never be luck involved when I'm parting with my hard-earned money. Screen caps should be MANDATORY for every clip on sale.
Until they reduce the price and/or give fair previews I will never buy from C4S again.
I agree, though I am not willing to turn away from clips4sale forever. It is the lesser of two evils compared to membership sites.
I especially agree about how buying a clip should not be like a lottery. I use this FREE thumbnail generator to create jpgs from movies that has screenshots of each frame, six rows six columns. I do that for archiving purposes on my own computer, yet producers can't do that to let people know exactly what it is they're buying? Seems strange to me. And while some producers may do it, clips4sale does not. Ironically, images4sale does. Can't have people buying the wrong photos. Posted by jammasterjay (Member # 39588) on :
I can't believe that many people still pay for porn, when there is so much out there for free. Everything you want, from every source you want. And part of the problem is this whole "recurring membership" scam. Or, at least that is what it feels like. I am interested in seeing some of your content, and I'd be willing to maybe pay a little if the quality of what you are offering is especially good. So why do I have to give you my credit card info, and sign up for essentially a long term arrangement with you? We all remember the horror stories of trying to cancel these things and not being able to - or not reading the fine print to see that if you don't cancel by 11:59 of a certain day that you are paying for another month anyway. Webmasters love hooking people on these recurring memberships in the hopes that you forget about it, and they can keep charging you and charging you. For what? Some porn, or some pictures of feet? No thanks.
One site I know of had a 4 day membership for around $12, and it was nonrecurring. In fact, you didn't even need a credit card (you could pay by phone or checking acct). I liked that, so I joined a few times over the year to check out what was new. But only when I wanted to, and felt like there was some value in what I was buying.
Posted by Hal (Member # 3484) on :
quote:I can't believe that many people still pay for porn, when there is so much out there for free. Everything you want, from every source you want.
If you`re into mainstream porn, yes. But not if you`re a sophisticated foot connoisseur ... and it gets even more complicated if you have multiple cross-fetishes -- some of that stuff is even difficult to find on any member sites or C4S store. But finding it for free is almost impossible.
-Hal-
Posted by Fiona McFee (Member # 39121) on :
This is an interesting discussion. I've been considering starting a membership site only because I want to be able to make longer length videos and still have them be reasonably priced. C4S doesn't allow much wiggle room when it comes to pricing videos. I've been mulling this over for the last month or so but probably won't get it up and running till the bf/regular foot guy moves in and we can consistently create new content every week.
What do y'all think about the idea of having both available on one site. Meaning - a membership would be available but individual clips could also be purchased (and priced more competitively than C4S).
Posted by Beautifulfeetonline.com (Member # 13717) on :
quote:Originally posted by jammasterjay: I can't believe that many people still pay for porn, when there is so much out there for free. Everything you want, from every source you want. And part of the problem is this whole "recurring membership" scam. Or, at least that is what it feels like. I am interested in seeing some of your content, and I'd be willing to maybe pay a little if the quality of what you are offering is especially good. So why do I have to give you my credit card info, and sign up for essentially a long term arrangement with you? We all remember the horror stories of trying to cancel these things and not being able to - or not reading the fine print to see that if you don't cancel by 11:59 of a certain day that you are paying for another month anyway. Webmasters love hooking people on these recurring memberships in the hopes that you forget about it, and they can keep charging you and charging you. For what? Some porn, or some pictures of feet? No thanks.
One site I know of had a 4 day membership for around $12, and it was nonrecurring. In fact, you didn't even need a credit card (you could pay by phone or checking acct). I liked that, so I joined a few times over the year to check out what was new. But only when I wanted to, and felt like there was some value in what I was buying.
Do you think that women just call us everyday and offer to get naked on camera for free? Why the fuck should I be giving you free shit when every shoot I do costs me 300-600 bucks?!? I'm not attacking you man, but that is just stupid. And you wonder why sites keep closing and closing. Maybe in 2-3 years when you have nothing new to jerk off to, you will "get it".
XSells are what your talking about and I agree that it's one of the things that have put the online adult industry in a rut. I was a surfer before I was a webmaster and I got fucked over too. Had to even change a credit card number once, ridiculous! CCBill, does not do that. Nor do other merchant vendors. That ended for the most part 2-3 years ago. I know of many, many people that run indexes and directories and we won't even deal with sites that do that shit.
As far as recurring, if you dig it, why not if they are updating on a regular basis. I would say that 60-70 percent of fetish sites are run out of the webmasters home. You figure in the costs to host, edit, shoot, post produce and book the model and what your really doing for the mom and pop sites are supporting them. Sometimes, it means making that car payment, not having to pawn shit for a shoot. Digging them, supporting them and allowing them to grow to continue to produce stuff that you love and cum all over yourself too. I just don't know how that is "fucking you over" nor do i understand this "self entitlement" bullshit that you "derserve" to get all of our shit for free. Torrents, passcrack sites and copyright infringment is stealing, end of story.
Sometimes, I will even join some of my sponsors that have awesome stuff, I don't really surf the member area, maybe for a couple of promo pics, but you will never know how much some of these good hearted people that do these sites appreciate the suppport and the money to continue to do what they do.
Why even call this a "community" when people have mindsets like that. I see it from both sides. People emailing me to put them on footpervert.com so that they can make the rent. wanting a spot on Digitaldivas so they can feed their kids. Sorry, but stupid shit like this really pisses me off. Most webmasters, especially niche webmasters are paycheck to paycheck at the most.
Posted by Beautifulfeetonline.com (Member # 13717) on :
quote:Originally posted by Hal:
quote: Considering that I have over $10,0000.00 worth of money tied into paying my models
Is that $10,000 or $100,000? The comma is at a weird place...
-Hal-
I have spent approx 35k on Beautifulfeetonline.com since it launched in 2005. My trip in April, shooting in 7 southern states to Miami and Back to Denver will be a 13k trip. I'm not cheap and really want to eventually have foot models from every state in my members area. I'm taking the U.S. in chunks and as I can afford it. But it has always been a dream of mine to do this.
Posted by Patrick (Member # 1169) on :
Beautifulfeetonline.com,
Well said, but probably won't make a difference. I used to defend that side, but learned it's easier to focus your time and effort on the people who already understand that. This is why I throw people a bone every once in a while with my contests for free membership time on my site.
Patrick
Posted by bremmer (Member # 26185) on :
Fiona, you took the words out of my mouth about this being an interesting discussion. I believe Lil Miss Leah had the two options on her site you mentioned. As long as you can find a host, I think it is a good idea. You will need to market more than if you had a C4S store.
Beautifulfeet...your site is one that clearly shows its' breadth and depth based on the preview. WIth your new pantyhose focus, I am hooked. Heck, I can tell you use high quality glass like californiabeachfeet and Patrick. That stuff ain't cheap. I pay for good work.
I don't get the recurring membership deal. Yes, five years ago, there were sites that would stop working as soon as you cancelled. But I haven't seen that in years. I surmise that was probable the web host/billing company scheme and not the content provider anyway. Plus, it is easy to set reminders on your computer to tell you to cancel.
Lastly, I think most people think that since a digital photog's only expense after the camera is a one-time CF or SD card, the photos and/or memberships should cost next to nothing. Same goes for the digital video cameras. This is the farthest from the truth. Some of these webmasters are busting their asses. It is easy to which ones aren't mailing it in. Gotta pay for the service and the effort.
I personally lost interest in memberships until Elizabethsfeet came along. Now I appreciate good still photos. If a site has good, large photos, I'll grab a membership.
Posted by Beautifulfeetonline.com (Member # 13717) on :
yeah, that was what I am saying, and I am not mean, really I'm not. The greatest thing as a fetishist I have ever done, was to have an outlet. To catalogue beautiful feet on my indexes. To put people out there. Catalogue them on my paysites. Women from all over the world who have these gifts need to know how beautiful they are in the eyes of a fetishist. It is imperative for me. ...It's all I think about. I wish I could turn myself "off" sometimes.
And who am I kidding, if I did not have Aragorn, Nighthawk, Winnie, Miss M, Natalie's Jungle, IFON, FM Concepts Enchanted Foot, Wu and other cool people way back in the day to direct me and put my stuff out there when I was beginning, it would have just killed me. That is why community is so important to me and why I defend it so fiercely I guess. No disrespect to jammasterjay, was just saying...
Posted by Tyler D. (Member # 11452) on :
quote:Originally posted by Beautifulfeetonline.com: You figure in the costs to host, edit, shoot, post produce and book the model and what your really doing for the mom and pop sites are supporting them. Sometimes, it means making that car payment, not having to pawn shit for a shoot. Digging them, supporting them and allowing them to grow to continue to produce stuff that you love and cum all over yourself too. I just don't know how that is "fucking you over" nor do i understand this "self entitlement" bullshit that you "derserve" to get all of our shit for free. Torrents, passcrack sites and copyright infringment is stealing, end of story.
this is so true and it is sad what the state of gratefulness has turned into since the days of scarce smut.
people are fat dumb and happy with their current state of indulgence. it is sad what the average enthusiast has turned into nowadays: non-contributive, whiney, undeserving b*tches.
they woulda starved for feet if they were surfing back in the mid-late 90s. and in fact, i'd be willing to bet they are starved for feet in real life. they screw themselves in the end, and I don't just mean that figuratively. basically, what comes around goes around.
they need to learn to respect those contributers who work hard for them. the "they" i'm referring to is the hoardes of whiney self-entitled crybabies who feel like they are owed something.
[ December 02, 2010, 12:48 AM: Message edited by: Tyler D. ]
Posted by Scotty7493 (Member # 13127) on :
quote:Originally posted by jammasterjay: I can't believe that many people still pay for porn, when there is so much out there for free. Everything you want, from every source you want. And part of the problem is this whole "recurring membership" scam. Or, at least that is what it feels like. I am interested in seeing some of your content, and I'd be willing to maybe pay a little if the quality of what you are offering is especially good. So why do I have to give you my credit card info, and sign up for essentially a long term arrangement with you? We all remember the horror stories of trying to cancel these things and not being able to - or not reading the fine print to see that if you don't cancel by 11:59 of a certain day that you are paying for another month anyway. Webmasters love hooking people on these recurring memberships in the hopes that you forget about it, and they can keep charging you and charging you. For what? Some porn, or some pictures of feet? No thanks.
One site I know of had a 4 day membership for around $12, and it was nonrecurring. In fact, you didn't even need a credit card (you could pay by phone or checking acct). I liked that, so I joined a few times over the year to check out what was new. But only when I wanted to, and felt like there was some value in what I was buying.
What he said. Some of us don't feel we're "owed" something or "entitled" for whatever reason.
Blame the others who are offering it for free, not those who take it.
If you don't like it, find another career that pays.
[ December 02, 2010, 01:18 AM: Message edited by: Scotty7493 ]
Posted by Beautifulfeetonline.com (Member # 13717) on :
quote:
Blame the others who are offering it for free, not those who take it.
If you don't like it, find another career that pays. [/QB]
...Your an idiot. What a retarded outlook on justifying content theft. I'm glad you don't feel entitled, you shouldn't be. So why are you arguing your own point, except for the sake of arguing and flaming this thread?!?
[ December 02, 2010, 02:09 AM: Message edited by: Beautifulfeetonline.com ]
Posted by goodguyneighbor (Member # 2824) on :
Content is cheap, but the best stuff is always in demand.
Many sites have shut down, and many sites were never very good to begin with.
There are more and more sites than ever online these days; no surprise not all can compete.
Consumers expect real value for their money these days.
The days of webmasters charging full price for a few dozen models, or once a week updates are gone.
Posted by Scotty7493 (Member # 13127) on :
quote:Originally posted by Scotty7493:
quote:Originally posted by Beautifulfeetonline.com:
quote:
Blame the others who are offering it for free, not those who take it.
If you don't like it, find another career that pays.
...Your an idiot. What a retarded outlook on justifying content theft. I'm glad you don't feel entitled, you shouldn't be. So why are you arguing your own point, except for the sake of arguing and flaming this thread?!?
I'm an idiot?
I suggest you keep doing what you're doing and don't worry about the "freeloaders" who feel they are "entitled" to free stuff.
I don't care what the fuck you think of me. I don't OWE you shit! [/QB]
[ December 02, 2010, 10:05 AM: Message edited by: Scotty7493 ]
Posted by Tyler D. (Member # 11452) on :
it's the freeloader mentality that contributes to ideas such as "foot fetish getting a bad name"
it's probably a good thing that some of us can honestly say "we're not like those other desperate fetishists", cuz that probably contributes to differences in getting women vs not.
sometimes, it's very apparent the type of foot fetishists who can get feet and those who can't. the latter probably fuels the uncompromising need to download feet pics at any cost.
Posted by Patrick (Member # 1169) on :
quote:Originally posted by goodguyneighbor: Content is cheap, but the best stuff is always in demand.
Many sites have shut down, and many sites were never very good to begin with.
There are more and more sites than ever online these days; no surprise not all can compete.
Consumers expect real value for their money these days.
The days of webmasters charging full price for a few dozen models, or once a week updates are gone.
While I agree with some of your statement, I don't agree with all of it. Just pumping countless models onto a site is not a key to success. It can help and be good in many ways, but I will be honest, I and many others ALSO like the sites with regular models as well. Put a good photographer/webmaster behind a site that rotates a handful of models that people like and it will be fine. siteDon't ask me how I know that. :joint:And I put up 3-4 items per update once a week. I don't run my site as my full time job. If I dropped everything else in my life and put every effort into it, I am sure I'd even do better. But I never planned for this site to be my job. I don't want to be some business man with this. It's my passion and something I enjoy. All that said, I do fine, so I guess it can be done.
Patrick
[ December 02, 2010, 10:54 AM: Message edited by: Patrick ]
Posted by Scotty7493 (Member # 13127) on :
quote:Originally posted by Tyler D.: it's the freeloader mentality that contributes to ideas such as "foot fetish getting a bad name"...... latter probably fuels the uncompromising need to download feet pics at any cost.
Oh no, here we go again......
Posted by Scotty7493 (Member # 13127) on :
quote:Originally posted by Patrick:
quote:Originally posted by goodguyneighbor: Content is cheap, but the best stuff is always in demand.
Many sites have shut down, and many sites were never very good to begin with.
There are more and more sites than ever online these days; no surprise not all can compete.
Consumers expect real value for their money these days.
The days of webmasters charging full price for a few dozen models, or once a week updates are gone.
While I agree with some of your statement, I don't agree with all of it. Just pumping countless models onto a site is not a key to success. It can help and be good in many ways, but I will be honest, I and many others ALSO like the sites with regular models as well. Put a good photographer/webmaster behind a site that rotates a handful of models that people like and it will be fine. siteDon't ask me how I know that. :joint:And I put up 3-4 items per update once a week. I don't run my site as my full time job. If I dropped everything else in my life and put every effort into it, I am sure I'd even do better. But I never planned for this site to be my job. I don't want to be some business man with this. It's my passion and something I enjoy. All that said, I do fine, so I guess it can be done.
Patrick
Pat, I like your work and style. You can have the most and hottest models out there but if the photographer is novice it will show.
Good photographers have a way of taking something and making it look spectacular.
Now if I had extra money in my budget to afford a membership site I'd definitely go for yours.
As of now I can't afford it, so I'll simply take the blame and be called a "freeloader" who gives "foot fetishists" a bad name for hanging out at a FREE site like Wu's. Later.
Posted by Tyler D. (Member # 11452) on :
quote:Originally posted by Scotty7493:
quote:Originally posted by Tyler D.: it's the freeloader mentality that contributes to ideas such as "foot fetish getting a bad name"...... latter probably fuels the uncompromising need to download feet pics at any cost.
Oh no, here we go again......
over the years, desperation & bad behaviors have been key to the negative impressions about foot fetishists.
if it isn't asking too much, there are some foot fetishists who believe that others should keep their habits in check for the sake of the greater good. that is all that is being said here
stealing and pirating the hard work of content producers for the sake of a spewing all over oneself is a rather despicable idea no matter who is the judge. let's try to keep things on the up and up Posted by Robotron2084 (Member # 33263) on :
quote:Originally posted by Hal: Single clips are great if you have very special interests -- even if they cost more than a membership to a website.
Some people aren`t interested in the amount of pics & clips, but are only interested in their special niche content. It`s the same with me...IŽll rather see exactly what I love in a 5-min video, than get access to 5000 photos showing content that I`m not into.
-Hal-
What he said. 90% of the clips I buy are shoeplay. I like sites with variety, but shoeplay is important to me. I have contacted models in the past for custom shoe play clips and some of them have produced some amazing work.
Posted by Robotron2084 (Member # 33263) on :
quote:Originally posted by goodguyneighbor: Content is cheap, but the best stuff is always in demand.
Many sites have shut down, and many sites were never very good to begin with.
There are more and more sites than ever online these days; no surprise not all can compete.
Consumers expect real value for their money these days.
The days of webmasters charging full price for a few dozen models, or once a week updates are gone.
Excellent points. Quality will get my money a lot of boring content.
Posted by Beautifulfeetonline.com (Member # 13717) on :
Scotty, this is not a personal attack man, so don't take it as such. I have nothing against you nor any animosity. But the thing that really pissed me off was you saying "If you don't like it, find another career that pays.", which makes no sense to me.
Good Guy Neighbor, I agree, some sites just don't know how to market themselves or they are sooo scared to trade links, which I have never understood. And why many of them fail. They have no networking. This is in every niche though and yes, they do tend to get "recycled out" Even more so, imho with this current economic climate. But I have still never seen this many sites just closing up shop and I have been indexing sites since 2003. I don't think that there are a glut of new ones coming out either.
Patrick, your respected here, I don't think that you have anything to worry about as far as people making judgements over your "commitment" to the discipline imho. You've had that domain since what, 2004? I do agree you have to have quality. I think that most of us can tell whether or not the person shooting for a site has a real passion for it or not. Imho, that is why Big Mainstream Porno Houses that do foot sites usually do not do well. They have no passion for it. No love really for the beauty of the female foot. Or know how powerful it is. Just had a HUGE conversation on GFY about this.
Tyler, I agree. I am on many boards and very FEW boards are out there, with the exception of our pantyhose and nylon cousins, that have paysites and surfers just kicking it together. One of the many reasons I love the shit out of the Foot Fetish Community. Look, I have no problem with people checking out my free stuff. I have a TON of it. The issue I have with this whole thing is uploading members areas to .rar, torrents or tubes. Trading passwords and blatant shit like that. I put out so all these teasers, etc, because I know the vast majority of my peers will just dig it or dig the angles or the shots. I am not stingy with my content, it's the blatant stuff that bugs me.
bremmer thanks for the compliment, I appreciate it
[ December 02, 2010, 04:28 PM: Message edited by: Beautifulfeetonline.com ]
Posted by FIASCo (Member # 1899) on :
Well said on all counts, Beautifulfeetonline.com. I've been asked quite often why I would ever pay for any kind of foot fetish content when there is so much free stuff on the Internet, and my response is simple. I want to support the efforts of the providers I most enjoy. Even people who enjoy their jobs want to get paid for doing them. I get plenty of free custom stuff and "surprises" from girls I've known for a while and with whom I interact beyond the web, but even then i try to be careful not to take advantage of them.
Posted by Weekend_Warrior (Member # 2662) on :
quote:Originally posted by jammasterjay: I can't believe that many people still pay for porn, when there is so much out there for free. Everything you want, from every source you want.
I couldn't agree more! YES--I still pay for a small % of jack off material, I still buy DVDs! (depending on the pornstar) but I also spend a great deal of time on footfetishtube and xHamster.com--both are free. Posted by FIASCo (Member # 1899) on :
quote:Originally posted by Weekend_Warrior:
quote:Originally posted by jammasterjay: I can't believe that many people still pay for porn, when there is so much out there for free. Everything you want, from every source you want.
I couldn't agree more! YES--I still pay for a small % of jack off material, I still buy DVDs! (depending on the pornstar) but I also spend a great deal of time on footfetishtube and xHamster.com--both are free.
I would respectfully submit that if you pay for some material... and buy DVDs... you actually disagree.
Posted by Scotty7493 (Member # 13127) on :
quote:Originally posted by FIASCo:
quote:Originally posted by Weekend_Warrior:
quote:Originally posted by jammasterjay: I can't believe that many people still pay for porn, when there is so much out there for free. Everything you want, from every source you want.
I couldn't agree more! YES--I still pay for a small % of jack off material, I still buy DVDs! (depending on the pornstar) but I also spend a great deal of time on footfetishtube and xHamster.com--both are free.
I would respectfully submit that if you pay for some material... and buy DVDs... you actually disagree.
Hey, he's not "disagreeing", he's just being selective as to where he chooses to spend his money.
I'm the same way with music. I'll take an mp3 here and there online I don't feel is worthy of spending the bucks on, but the stuff I truley love and appreciate I'll actually go to the local cd outlet and fork over $15 or $20.
So am I wrong or am I right? Do I agree or disagree?
Aren't we all guilty of it? If anyone says they actually pay for every single pic, vid, mp3 they've downloaded from the internet they're a liar.
Posted by Tyler D. (Member # 11452) on :
quote:Originally posted by Scotty7493: Aren't we all guilty of it?
some are far more guilty than others when they feel like the world owes them free stuff.
to those leeches, i will eloquently say this: "If you can't depend on your own life to get what you want, then get a new life."
Posted by combine_hunter (Member # 39526) on :
quote:Originally posted by Scotty7493: Aren't we all guilty of it? If anyone says they actually pay for every single pic, vid, mp3 they've downloaded from the internet they're a liar.
Maybe so, but sites have "free samples" for a reason, no?
Agree with Fiasco, as well. Good point.
Posted by Weekend_Warrior (Member # 2662) on :
Oh my! Has this thread turned into a heated debate?
I just wanted 2 share my thoughts with the group. Both Fiasco and Scotty7493 make good points. Nothing's better than FREE, no one can deny that. Nevertheless, if u want sumthin' bad enough (regardless if it's porn, or some other fix) you'll pay thru the nose to get it.
I tend to straddle the fence in these situations.
Posted by Scotty7493 (Member # 13127) on :
quote:Originally posted by Weekend_Warrior:
I tend to straddle the fence in these situations.
It's a good position to take when it comes to the nature of this beast (internet).
Posted by FIASCo (Member # 1899) on :
quote:Originally posted by Weekend_Warrior: Oh my! Has this thread turned into a heated debate?
I just wanted 2 share my thoughts with the group. Both Fiasco and Scotty7493 make good points. Nothing's better than FREE, no one can deny that. Nevertheless, if u want sumthin' bad enough (regardless if it's porn, or some other fix) you'll pay thru the nose to get it.
I tend to straddle the fence in these situations.
Hey, there's absolutely nothing wrong with straddling the fence; that's what my response to your last post conveyed. Thanks for posting this so that others could get it. Oh, and I agree with your point about paying "thru the nose" for something you want badly enough. You're definitely right about that!
Posted by JustJoe (Member # 9641) on :
quote:Originally posted by acebg: Just thinking out loud here. One thing I don't like about buying clips is I'm not sure what I'm going to see (there used to be no previews, unlike now) and I feel like it's a gamble at $12 or so for 10 minutes. Additionally, for that kind of money, the video quality, feet and performance all need to be better than the free stuff on sites like YouTube. I've bought clips only to regret it. An exception would be a site that I know is good (some free videos and photos) and has a following. I'd feel more comfortable buying from them.
I think I'd rather join a membership site where I can expect good material or else they would not be in business. One reason I don't have a membership, however, is I don't like the idea of paying every month for a year (about $240 let's say) when I could have joined for about $20 and still have access to the same clips. In other words, why not join for one month, see all the videos, then a year later buy another month and see the new videos?
Just wondering what you all thought/experiences.
Ok, just so that I have a better understanding in all this, do you think that having an option of being able to download a certain number of videos for a nominal one-time fee be better or sign up to a membership site that allows you to be a member for a month at a time and download unlimited videos on it?
Posted by www.afw4u.com (Member # 37725) on :
I think so people also feel kinda awkward to be member of a porn site while purchasing a clip is somehow like a one time sin. Some also don't want their spouse to ask " hey what is the recurring payment everymonth on your visa card statement darling?" . I know some people purchase my clips when they have the options to join my site but they will still purchase clips only so...
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