We are a congregation of men who have the same love for feet we are more like a brotherhood but when one has discovered some thing beautiful he will not share without a credit card
Posted by bluetoelover (Member # 14736) on :
I hear ya bro! But at the same time..in this day and age to run a site it cost $$$ so to "give away" footie porn for free when you can charge for it is not an economical venture.
Posted by Prince of Soles (Member # 17252) on :
but im sure that some very satisfied viewers would make a contribution or they could sell clips
Posted by bluetoelover (Member # 14736) on :
well yes theoretically "members" could make a donation..how much would you be willing to contribute to a site when you know you could get it free?
Posted by Patrick (Member # 1169) on :
Prince of Soles,
It would be nice if we didn't need money to enjoy things that we like. I sure wish I didn't have to pay $25 dollars for the crab cakes I like at my favorite restaurant too.
Patrick
Posted by Karnell (Member # 6647) on :
I think youre right Patrick!
Posted by A&F_FootDude_05 (Member # 2999) on :
Prince of Soles, you shuold also take into mind the camera costs that Patrick, as well as others, use to provide those photos. Those cameras can run into the four-figures to provide us with the high-quality images we like....there are a good amount of foot previews from these sites to lure us in! Then for the people who primarily post on clips4sale.com....refer to Patrick's statement above!
Posted by ashifechi (Member # 16477) on :
Well, there are free pages like geocities etc. Plus, how many people shoot with film anymore? I'll bet most of the foot-fetish-photographers use digital cameras. For instance I have a Nikon D-100, and I use Photoshop.
I bought my camera for work, though. Not for the pupose of taking pictures of feet. Though, I have used it for that.
Anyhow, feet are money makers. Some people only get into making a site because, in most cases, they don't even have to show faces, just feet. So it's anonomous.
A lot of these women are only in it for the money. It's easy money.
There are so many free sites out there. Just search for them.
TRUE lovers of feet would not be into making a site for the sole purpose of making easy money.
I mean look at some of the sites out there. You can tell who is into it becuase they love it by looking at the prices of membership.
THe higher the price, the more likely that the owners are trying to cash in on our fetishes.
But, hey, that's capitalism. Find a weakness or demand and exploit it for financial gain.
Posted by Sinnister (Member # 2394) on :
Spoken like a true broke guy.
I don't hate as I'm in the same boat.
Posted by Footman9 (Member # 1100) on :
quote:Originally posted by ashifechi: ... But, hey, that's capitalism. Find a weakness or demand and exploit it for financial gain.
So true. Just put a pretty curvy leggy high heeled woman on the front cover and men will at least look at it; Then open to find the babe on the cover and shortly afterwards, buy the mag. Gotcha! We have a sale . Cha-ching! Sad, but true. Marketing did it's job and knows how to placate to a man's soft spot--sex (sells). People LOVE sex and men need it, a lot (in any form). Men are very visual and that is why we come here to WusFeetlinks . It is that plain and simple. Nothing is really free. This is the way of the world. I don't care how you dice it or slice it, it is all (directly/indirectly) about the money.
[ December 28, 2007, 03:53 AM: Message edited by: Footman9 ]
Posted by Patrick (Member # 1169) on :
Camera +$500 Memory Cards $40 ea Rechargable Batteries $40 (for 4) Other accessories for camera (varies) Computer +$1,000 Adobe CS Bundle +$1,600 Models (varies) Gas to meet models (varies) Electricity (varies) High Speed Internet Bill $35 month Blank DVDs to back up information (varies)
I'd keep going on and on but because I am getting tired, I just thought I'd show you why it is easier up front to seek a membership than to "hope" someone gives you some kick back for your efforts. I'd think homeless beggars (who aren't homeless) would get more money than we would from trying to run a site like that. It is hard for some people to not give those kind of people money because their right there in front of them. The Internet is not personal and it is easy to forget that there are real people behind what you look at on every site.
Patrick
Posted by Tyler D. (Member # 11452) on :
^ Patrick nailed it. That's exactly why.
And if Prince of Soles can introduce (or execute) his idea via working example, perhaps more free producers will follow.
Posted by Craigy boy (Member # 3340) on :
No one is forced to join a pay site. I am not a member of any. Way too expensive. But if some one is really into Lexi or Patrick's work, then i think they have a right to charge a fee. Forgetting net expences, what about camera upgrades and location fees (fuel etc) as well as modelling expenses. Costumes even!
I think there is a great balance between free and pay. I also dont see any harm in a total amatuer trying to make some money. Though it's funny to think that a few years ago people thought they would retire from fetish pics.
The beauty of Wu's is that you get samples from pay sites that might make a person join. Also, some models pop up on here and that gives a personal touch to the proceedings. But above all, there are a heap of us who provide free pics of our wives/girlfriends on this wonderful site. Fair enough if the feet are not to some one's taste, but hey, it's free!
Dont forget places like myspace or Flickr. Heaps and heaps of pics there!
Posted by You (Member # 2107) on :
i think he got it Posted by solelvr2007 (Member # 20632) on :
I make beats, and everybody wants free beats. You can find sites that have free beat downloads just like I find sites that contain free foot material. Until I have the extra money for a paysite, I'll look for free available material. I'm actually amazed at the amount of free content that is out there!!! Personally, I couldn't get to the end of this free You Tube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jzoWioVhNQ Posted by dougiezerts (Member # 6829) on :
Say, did any of you notice that this guy posted this question twice?
Posted by Elvzz (Member # 14178) on :
And to second Patrick. If you ever stayed through the end of a movie and watched the credits, which usually last 7 minutes. All those people got PAID. Our sites may be on a smaller scale, but you get it.
Why do you think a lot of the BHE site that launched in the last year are not updating or retired?
It is our job to make it look easy and for me I have made a silent commitment to my old and potential members and that's what keeps me goin' no matter what!
PS. I have updated my site from the hospital with no sleep for 2 days and visibly shaking in my scrubs while being there for a famliy member sleeping in a wheelchair with my feet on the bed - just so they knew they were not alone.
I am sure we all have similar stories.
Posted by Hal (Member # 3484) on :
quote:Originally posted by dougiezerts: Say, did any of you notice that this guy posted this question twice?
Yes, I noticed this at once. Usually when this happens I delete on of the identical posts but this time there were already replies to both of them....and I didn`t want to delete the replies.
What kind of bugs me is that the original poster hasn`t written a single reply in any of his two posts.
-Hal-
Posted by LordLucan (Member # 2130) on :
quote:Originally posted by Elvzz: And to second Patrick. If you ever stayed through the end of a movie and watched the credits, which usually last 7 minutes. All those people got PAID. Our sites may be on a smaller scale, but you get it.
Why do you think a lot of the BHE site that launched in the last year are not updating or retired?
It is our job to make it look easy and for me I have made a silent commitment to my old and potential members and that's what keeps me goin' no matter what!
PS. I have updated my site from the hospital with no sleep for 2 days and visibly shaking in my scrubs while being there for a famliy member sleeping in a wheelchair with my feet on the bed - just so they knew they were not alone.
I am sure we all have similar stories.
Exactly, a couple of years ago I took the first vacation I'd had in over 10 years, but I took the laptop along with me so that I never missed an update. On day when I know I'll be busy or away, I either get up earlier to update, or stay up later to update. However, running a paysite is so much more than those who've never done it imagine. Add up hosting, software (anyone looked at the price of Photoshop or Dreamweaver lately?), purchased content, leased movie feeds, model payments, advertising for models, photographic equipment, both still and video, editing software, ftp software...and the list goes on.
Posted by Elvzz (Member # 14178) on :
LL-
Your talent, dedication and access to models/pictures, etc, does not go un-noticed. It takes a lot to be something. In a sub-culture or otherwise. You have always been Jonnie on the spot with me FOR SURE! Have a great and safe New Years.
Posted by ashifechi (Member # 16477) on :
Patrick, I wasn't targeting you in my original post. But, come on...
"Camera +$500 Memory Cards $40 ea Rechargable Batteries $40 (for 4) Other accessories for camera (varies) Computer +$1,000 Adobe CS Bundle +$1,600 Models (varies) Gas to meet models (varies) Electricity (varies) High Speed Internet Bill $35 month Blank DVDs to back up information (varies)"
Whaa, whaa.
FOr one, you areusing a cheap camera. Mine cost me about $2,500 with two lenses. Anthoer thing, I am sure you use the same memory cards over and over again, so don't chalk up toomuch cost there.
Don't blame your PC and Internet costs either, because even if you didn't have a Site, you would still have a computer and Internet conection.
If you are paying for models, then I can see claiming that cost,
You are claiming electrucity?!!! Oh, my god you poor thing. You must be the only person in the world who has to pay for electricity and gas!
Sorry to be so sarcastic, but some of the things you are claiming are the very same things that your memebers have to pay for themselves.
Like I said, if you are paying for models, then I can see you charging membership. THat shit is expensive. THose women want MONEY!
Actually, my original comment is geared toward teh women whose only interest in foot fetish or foot fetish guys in to get their money.
THere are a lot of fakes out there who pretend to be "into" foot fetishes, but all they are into is the money they can reap from it.
P.S. I am not broke. I used to have memberships to some sites, but after a while of lack of updates, low quality and a seemingly lack of TRUE interest in what the members wanted, I stopped.
Posted by Tyler D. (Member # 11452) on :
quote:Originally posted by ashifechi: Sorry to be so sarcastic, but some of the things you are claiming are the very same things that your memebers have to pay for themselves.
I think Patrick was just naming the 1st of many costs that came to his mind. And I think he intentionally stopped before listing out everything that would be a potential cost (as there were many). The fact that some of those costs can be personal costs, does not exclude the fact that they may be higher due to increased usage from the business.
Most business operators would agree that there are a wide variety of large and small costs that add up for a big total. Even people who don't run businesses would probably know that there are many costs that don't get captured in a brief financial synopsis or recollection of what it should take to run a business.
Anyway, most business owners can probably come up with many costs if they go through their records. Here's just a few more to add to the list (that I don't think Patrick named) and I'm sure any business operator could agree with many of these as not being pretty costs either:
** local, county, state, and/or federal level taxes, ** various types of taxes as well at different levels: (employment, sales, franchise, etc), ** periodic book-keeping, ** qtrly and yearly tax preparation(s), ** business license(s), ** filming permit(s), ** office supplies & equipment, ** legal counsel, ** business insurance, ** filming insurance, ** employee health insurance, ** incorporation/basic startup fees, ** state level statement of information renewal, ** DBA registration, ** merchant account fees and/or percentages, ** employee time/labor (webmaster, not models), ** occasional contractor time/labor (examples: tech support, or installations), ** hosting and bandwidth costs, ** advertising, ** equipment maintenance, repair, or replacement
[ December 31, 2007, 02:38 AM: Message edited by: Tyler D. ]
Posted by Footman9 (Member # 1100) on :
quote:Originally posted by Hal: ...What kind of bugs me is that the original poster hasn`t written a single reply in any of his two posts.
-Hal-
I agree.
Posted by Footman9 (Member # 1100) on :
quote:Originally posted by Tyler D.:
quote:Originally posted by ashifechi: Sorry to be so sarcastic, but some of the things you are claiming are the very same things that your memebers have to pay for themselves.
I think Patrick was just naming the 1st of many costs that came to his mind. And I think he intentionally stopped before listing out everything that would be a potential cost (as there were many). The fact that some of those costs can be personal costs, does not exclude the fact that they may be higher due to increased usage from the business.
Most business operators would agree that there are a wide variety of large and small costs that add up for a big total. Even people who don't run businesses would probably know that there are many costs that don't get captured in a brief financial synopsis or recollection of what it should take to run a business.
Anyway, most business owners can probably come up with many costs if they go through their records. Here's just a few more to add to the list (that I don't think Patrick named) and I'm sure any business operator could agree with many of these as not being pretty costs either:
** local, county, state, and/or federal level taxes, ** various types of taxes as well at different levels: (employment, sales, franchise, etc), ** periodic book-keeping, ** qtrly and yearly tax preparation(s), ** business license(s), ** filming permit(s), ** office supplies & equipment, ** legal counsel, ** business insurance, ** filming insurance, ** employee health insurance, ** incorporation/basic startup fees, ** state level statement of information renewal, ** DBA registration, ** merchant account fees and/or percentages, ** employee time/labor (webmaster, not models), ** occasional contractor time/labor (examples: tech support, or installations), ** hosting and bandwidth costs, ** advertising, ** equipment maintenance, repair, or replacement
All for the love of the game, the game of pretty feet. Thank you for your efforts, Tyler and to all behind the web pages . Again, thank you.
Posted by Patrick (Member # 1169) on :
quote:Originally posted by ashifechi: Whaa, whaa.
FOr one, you areusing a cheap camera. Mine cost me about $2,500 with two lenses. Anthoer thing, I am sure you use the same memory cards over and over again, so don't chalk up toomuch cost there.
Don't blame your PC and Internet costs either, because even if you didn't have a Site, you would still have a computer and Internet conection.
If you are paying for models, then I can see claiming that cost,
You are claiming electrucity?!!! Oh, my god you poor thing. You must be the only person in the world who has to pay for electricity and gas!
Sorry to be so sarcastic, but some of the things you are claiming are the very same things that your memebers have to pay for themselves.
Like I said, if you are paying for models, then I can see you charging membership. THat shit is expensive. THose women want MONEY!
Actually, my original comment is geared toward teh women whose only interest in foot fetish or foot fetish guys in to get their money.
THere are a lot of fakes out there who pretend to be "into" foot fetishes, but all they are into is the money they can reap from it.
P.S. I am not broke. I used to have memberships to some sites, but after a while of lack of updates, low quality and a seemingly lack of TRUE interest in what the members wanted, I stopped.
I'm not sure I've ever written a rude post here, but I must say the above is written by someone who obviously has a masters degree in web design and photography. Let me guess, those MySpace templates that everyone can use suffice for web design, so I'll throw all the costs associated with software out the window. Computer costs, yeah I'd have the web, but I sure wouldn't have the excellerated high speed to upload faster and more efficently. And as for camera cards, no, those don't get bought often, but when you take a few day trip out of town, getting a few extra comes in handy. And I'm sure, since you use a EXPENSIVE camera, you'll know that cards do go corrupt from time to time, so replacing that happens too. As for the electricity and gas, I guess all the companies I've worked for that told me to keep track of mileage and supplied me with cellphones/pagers and such did it for fun. I mean, gas is so cheap to drive an hour to meet a model, not to mention the hotel costs when you go places that are overnight.
Like I said, I don't tend to write rude comments, but if you don't want to join paysites, then don't. I never beg anyone to join mine. I'm not even sure why you targeted my response to the original poster. I get my satisfaction from coming here and talking to people and if they join, they join. I don't make much money from this when you TAKE OUT MY COSTS. I guess since I actually like female feet and most of the models I use are personal friends and just like posing (and I give them some money because I'm a nice guy), I'm no pro on spending/making money. I guess I'll just go back to my old site method of a free site that I pay and pay for while hundreds of people download gigabytes worth of free contend and eat up my bandwidth.
Patrick
P.S. I'm thinking about going to the barber tomorrow and persuading him to give me a free haircut since the sheers and razor he uses are supplied by the company he works for. I mean his time and skill are worthless, right?
[ December 31, 2007, 03:53 AM: Message edited by: Patrick ]
Posted by ashifechi (Member # 16477) on :
I am through arguing about it. Hey, I wish you luck. Make as much money as you can. Maybe, I will join the club and make money off of taking pictures of my wife's feet. (She is Asian, and there is a BIG demand for Aisan feet pics). Why not? I could use the extra money, and everone is doing it. So, why not?
Didn't mean to offend, Patrick. I know people who do Internet business, and there expenses are minimal compared to there intake.
Again, models aren't cheap.
I'm finished stirng up the waters.
Have a happy new year, everyone!
Posted by sgadd27 (Member # 13044) on :
you tube is the is the way to go for free and also foot tube
Posted by Tyler D. (Member # 11452) on :
quote:Originally posted by ashifechi: Maybe, I will join the club and make money off of taking pictures of my wife's feet.
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